Coronavirus - hype or pandemlc?

[Cav]

The figures you're both arguing over will never be discovered because you need to know exposure count and antibody count. They aren't doing antibody testing, just virus testing.

The point I can gather from the both of you is that no one (the professionals) agrees on what's going on or the figures and realistic likelihood of death if contracted.

They needed to have either had a sharp strict lockdown with a total ban on international travel or to just do nothing and let those who die, die. Natural selection if you will. There's no point dilly dallying in no man's land like they have been.

[duke63]

Did you watch the YouTube video I posted a few threads up Duke?

The Goverments, chief medical officer is saying its not severe for 99% of the population.

That 1% is enough to overload the NHS though.

Which means the other 99% might find there is no NHS for them if they require medical help with something other than covid. That’s what frightens those in charge.

What if when I had my accident a few weeks ago, no hospital had staff or beds to to be able to treat me for my injuries?

[Blade]

Hypothetical scenario that didn't even happen at the peak of the pandemic when we were less well equipped in the NHS.

[D41]

Not for Duke it didn't happen....but you know it happened for someone.

[Kwacky]

We emptied the hospitals
Put the old and ill in care homes where many died
cancelled appointments, scans, operations
Built emergency treatment centres
Recalled retired medical staff
Retrained NHS workers to deal with covid patient
Ran out of respirators


But other than that yeah, it was fine for the NHS.

[duke63]

It did happen in many hospitals.

Stoke and Stafford hospitals don’t usually have 6 wards full of patients with the flu.

Nor do they have to take many staff away from their duties elsewhere in hospital to over see patients with breathing difficulties.

[D6Nutz]

We emptied the hospitals
Put the old and ill in care homes where many died
cancelled appointments, scans, operations
Built emergency treatment centres
Recalled retired medical staff
Retrained NHS workers to deal with covid patient
Ran out of respirators


But other than that yeah, it was fine for the NHS.

Don't forget the lasting trauma inflicted on the staff. Itllour neighbour is a nurse (most recently non-clinical) was repurposed to a COVID ward. The stories of the working conditions are horrendous.

But nothing beats the fear she endured and lengths she had to goto each time she came home from a 14+ hour shift just to feel she was doing her best to keep her family safe.

She didn't ask for any of it, but thats ok because people stood on their doorstep and clapped.

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[duke63]

The nurse who cared for me in Stoke three weeks ago had to spend weeks away from her young kids as she was full time on a covid ward.

[D6Nutz]

There where also photos on Facebook of a friend of mine from running club who is a clinical nurse, she also worked on a COVID ward.

I've seen her after long distance things, and I've never seen her look so tired and emotionally drained.

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[duke63]

All the panic buying has started again.

We are a Nation full of retards.

[Blade]

I wasn't saying the NHS didn't have it tough. I was replying to Dukes comment specifically. As far, as I'm aware no one was left needing emergency treatment and not attended too.

If it didn't happen when we were least prepared in March, I think its a remote chance that it would happen now, since we are better prepared.

[kiwikrasher]

Covid 19 is the current form of Corona-virus.

Not quite correct Kwacky

The virus is actually SARS-COV-2

COVID19 is the disease the virus causes and responsible for the symptoms.

But people at every level are misusing the correct labelling so the common person hasn’t got a chance. I’ve just had multiple company briefings due to our situation from Health Professionals and that labelling issue was explained to us in detail.

[duke63]

I wasn't saying the NHS didn't have it tough. I was replying to Dukes comment specifically. As far, as I'm aware no one was left needing emergency treatment and not attended too.

If it didn't happen when we were least prepared in March, I think its a remote chance that it would happen now, since we are better prepared.

March wasn't when hospitals were under the most pressure, that was end of April and into May when lockdown was starting to take effect.

Had we not locked down, then they would have been unable to cope.

The nurse at Stoke told me Easter week was the worst working week of her life.

[Blade]

Duke there is no point arguing over a date. My point was people still received emergency treatment at the height of the pandemic.

[D6]

My penis extension operation was cancelled I'll have you know. Now I have to put up with a 1cm maggot until all this is over.

[duke63]

Duke there is no point arguing over a date. My point was people still received emergency treatment at the height of the pandemic.

There is every point. If we had not had lockdown in March, the numbers hospitalised in April and May would have been even higher.

[Blade]

Duke I'm not arguing semantics.

[duke63]

I am right. Its simple maths.

[D6Nutz]

My point was people still received emergency treatment at the height of the pandemic.

Your point is only partially correct.

I had the misfortune of having to visit two emergency facilities within the same day, requiring emergency cardio investigation. My first port of call is Thatcham Minor Injuries clinic as it has really good facilities, is well staffed, and less busy than Royal Berks A&. Bearing in mind my statement about the my health requirements, I had phoned 111 and didn't feel I needed to tie up an ambulance but they agreed I needed to be seen within a 2 hour window.

* - I was unable to have a walk-in appointment at Thatcham, something that is normally available.
* - Thatcham, as described is normally very busy. All departments where closed apart from a makeshift minor A&E staffed by max 2 doctors.
* - General appointments where not available, only referrals from 111.
* - I was referred to Royal Berks A&E, and they had to call ahead to ensure I got through security.
* - The entrance to Royal Berks was guarded by a nurse taking initial details and turning away people who she believed could wait to see their GP the next day. Even though you can't "see" a GP. This was backed up by at least 2 security guards in very heavy duty kit.
* - A&E was deserted and was running on minimal staff.
* Since being discharged I have wanted to see my GP on at least 4 occasions to discuss medication, however I am unable to have a face 2 face appointment only a time limited call.

So, from those points above, while I was able to access the medical care I needed it took several phone calls to ensure I was worthy enough to be seen. I can only surmise this was due to limited resources. With regards to Thatcham Minor Injuries and Royal Berks, from what I saw I can only suggest that they where forced to reduce staff and therefore capacity as they where reallocated to COVID-19 care. What is very obvious though is that the number of people that would have required emergency care around this time would have had great difficulty accessing it. Timeframe wise, this also happened during the down slope of virus infections, so again you would have to surmise that during the peak of numbers this situation would have been worse.

[Blade]

I am right. Its simple maths.

No idea what your right about or what maths your on about