Brexit thread

[Kwacky]

Which Lisbon Treaty? The 2007 one?

https://fullfact.org/online/Lisbon-treaty-short-list/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Monty]

Only one day left to buy shares in J D Wetherspoons before Friday night's bonanza!

[duke63]

Seems appropriate here.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRIdtMl ... pp=desktop[/video]

[C00kiemonster]

Sad day today.

I'm still waiting for someone to give me a list of how we will all benefit.

Just a short bulleted factual list.




But they can't. Because there isn't one.

Ah well.

[Monty]

Seems appropriate here.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRIdtMl ... pp=desktop[/video]

Absolute genius, I just hope they publish her full speech.

[StMarks]

.Just a short bulleted factual list..

1. From now on all the self-serving leaches whom we elect to control our society & create our legislation will have English as their first language.

That's your comprehensive list right there ^.
Hth.

[Monty]

I'd pay good money to see her watch that for the first time, the hateful bastard! I'm almost disappointed she's been banned from Twatter.

[D6Nutz]

.Just a short bulleted factual list..

1. From now on all the self-serving leaches whom we elect to control our society & create our legislation will have English as their first language.

That's your comprehensive list right there ^.
Hth.

Since when have our government spoken English?

Over educated, over privileged, fluent in waffle and bullshit. And that is nothing to do with brexit, and all to do with the shit state of our countries politics and the total disconnect and lack of responsibility and accountability or politicians have.

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[StMarks]

....Over educated, over privileged, fluent in waffle and bullshit. And that is nothing to do with brexit, and all to do with the shit state of our countries politics and the total disconnect and lack of responsibility and accountability our politicians have...

Whilst I'd struggle to contradict that ^ D6Nutz, I stand by my comprehensive list of actual "advantages" that Cookie requested.

[C00kiemonster]

.Just a short bulleted factual list..

1. From now on all the self-serving leaches whom we elect to control our society & create our legislation will have English as their first language.

That's your comprehensive list right there ^.
Hth.

That's one for sure. There might be others but it's a good start..

[StMarks]

Fwiw personally I couldn't give a flying duck about the nationality or location of our society's legislators.
Myself; I am infinity more concerned that such legislation should be selfless, balanced, just & deliberated upon with the upmost integrity & intellect.

The list I proposed for you was

give me a list of how we will all benefit.

Just a short bulleted factual list.
l.

Surely that is the only factual list, because pretty much any other outcome is actually speculation at this stage.?

[C00kiemonster]

I'm not disagreeing, just allowing leavers some more space to sell the dream to me.

I don't disagree with your extensive list, it's a good one.

[Kwacky]

As from tomorrow we'll be told it's too late to question why people wanted Brexit, to deal with it and to look forward to this bring new EU free future we've been told so much about.

[Kwacky]

This is nice

https://www.connexionfrance.com/French- ... -your-home" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[duke63]

Interesting that Govt now talk about a trade deal that is as friction free as possible.

What happened to the Utopia where Countries are queuing up to offer trade deals, all in the UKs interests?

[Monty]

Instead Brexiteers will be treated to speeches from Wetherspoons boss Tim Martin, radio host Julia Hartley-Brewer, Apprentice winner Michelle Dewberry and Brexit Party MEP Ann Widdecombe.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... 5yNCAnJ_lo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Me, I'm staying at home to watch the riots on TV.

[Jack]

I am poor , I object to my taxes paying to duplicate systems and institutions that we already had , I don't care where the legislature is based as long as it is democratic and accountable , I object to having my taxes pay for the Scottish, Northern Irish and Welsh Parliaments if you want to devolve power go the whole hog and give it to the local councils instead of wasting money duplicating Westminster and paying yet more useless politicians an exorbitant wage and pension not to mention the civil servants it takes to look after them all . If we had voted to stay I would be asking what is the point of Westminster if we have full political union with the EU why the duplication of Institutions and systems etc why pay all these politicians and civil servants if they serve no real function other than to enact EU policy etc.

My reasons for wanting to leave the administrative body called the EU
I don't believe it is democratic , I didn't vote for the administrators and neither did any of you , I dont even know who most of them are . When senior EU officials spout patent nonsense like " Prime Ministers must stop listening to their voters and be full time Europeans " - Juncker May 2016, or " When it gets serious you have to lie " - also Juncker July 2014 , really confidence inspiring words from the President , who I never voted for . I also dislike the hypocrisy ,being told repeatedly that the British Empire is the source of all the ills in the world while Guy Verhofstadt is saying that voting for brexit is stupid because the future of the world is Empires like the EU at the 2019 Lib-Dem conference .

I think the EU over regulates and those regulations are not always ideally suited to local circumstances . Last week the EU deliberated regulations regarding the dimensions of candle wicks , why ?

There is huge youth unemployment in Italy (39%) , Spain (45%) and Greece (49%) but their governments are unable to do the things they need to do to kickstart their economies because it is against regulations set by the EU, decisions are made on their behalf by Brussels and the situation doesn't appear to be improving , I don't want that for our youth.

I have big problems with the CAP , I believe it favours rich landowners who are getting paid to just own land . It is wasteful and expensive , butter mountains and wine lakes and huge amounts of beef sold to the russians for pennies on the pound , just so retail prices wouldn't be affected , I think these things are criminal , we are stopped from buying much produce from Africa and India for the same reasons . The fishing rights issue is also dismaying in 1973 we had one of the largest fishing fleets in the world and today is almost non existent as our quota of the catch was reduced to 13% in order to enable spanish and italian fleets to fish our waters it also lead to the practice of throwing dead fish (caught over quota or under-size) back into the sea , or being transported back to port for disposal in land fill .

Our exports to the EU have fallen by approx 20% since 1999 , while our exports to the USA and other non EU states have risen by approx 15% in the same period , The EU is a declining market I believe we need to set our sights on a more global market . EU share of global GDP 1973 was 38% it was 25% in 1993 and is about 17% today , partly due to the rise of the Asian economies no doubt but the USA have manged to hold onto a much larger share of global GDP during that same timeframe - 30% in 1973 , 27% in 1993 and 22% today . I think we would have performed better without the EU restrictions .

I have noticed that those nations that border the EU have performed better economically than the EU nations , Sweden , Norway and even Iceland have outperformed the EU since 1993 ( on a per capita basis, this may be due to their relatively small populations )

I don't believe in centralised power , I think people are happiest when power is spread thinly , it makes them feel more in control and they tend to prosper more .

[D6Nutz]

Great post Jack some really interesting facts in there that I would like to read again later after work so I can suggest it.

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[Kwacky]

Yep, thanks Jack.

The unemployment figures look high:

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/you ... urope.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=1036" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.statista.com/statistics/266 ... countries/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There is duplication but you will get that regardless. We have a central government, which is made up of various departments, with various support departments, then you have local government with councils and their various departments and sub-departments. Devolution did help in reducing the number of civil workers in London and it does shift a lot of work to the other countries.

EU policy and regulations are very often baselines. Go on holiday in Europe and look at how many different approaches there are to site health and safety. Yet we're all (or were) bound by the same rules and regulations. Litigation and insurance is the biggest driving factor in the UK for red tape.

The candle wick thing was back in 2015. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/62 ... s-regulate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Again, I can see the argument about the thought of being controlled by the EU, but we do have MEPs and the UK has had more amendments and vetos than any other country in the history of the EU. We actually had a lot of influence. Now we have no say.

The UK is land ownership based and has been since 1066. it's the reason for high property prices. Criminal law punishments for damage to land and property are far harsher than they are for offences against the person. Did you know you're twice as likely to go to jail for damage to property than you are by causing death when driving? It's a fecking farce.

Our farmers will start to struggle now they've lost the EU financial support.

Exports may have dropped to the EU, but that shows we can still trade with other countries while we're in the EU. 44% of our exports are to the EU. The EU has address the issue of expanding trade by sealing deals with a number of countries such as Japan as well as a trade deal with South America in the last 12 months. We're missing out on that.

[Monty]

Thank you Jack. I don't agree with everything you said, but it's so refreshing to get a reasoned response.