The Streets of London

[Kwacky]

are now more deadly than New York.

What an achievement.

22 murders last month alone. Most of them knife related.

What a surprise, when you take away the ability of the police to search suspects on suspicion of possessing a weapon then massively reduce the police numbers.

[Fireball]

I agree, if the police have no power and at the same time numbers reduced then crime will go up. Tory idiots all live in their glass houses and heavy security cars with body guards around them. They dont give a shit about the general public and their safety.

Long live JC and the labour party to save this nation.

[C00kiemonster]

Sad. As you say it's partly due to police cuts and changes in stop and search.

New York is safe because of high police numbers and proactive and focused policing. The met (as are others) are hugely overstretched.

I feel sorry for the police - they try to do a good job but i dont think i would be very motivated with how they have been treated and the scum on the streets today

[duke63]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43624392" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just this morning.

there is also a video doing the rounds on facebook of 4 young scum on scooters carrying a hammer attempting to steal a bike in broad daylight whilst being filmed by the owner. They only give up because of the number of locks on the bike. They no longer have any fear of being caught.

[duke63]

[video]https://www.facebook.com/iflbikes/video ... 947353856/[/video]

[Jack]

They no longer have any fear of being caught.

Why would they be , the chances of them being caught is less than 10% and even if they are caught they will not get a harsh sentence , the jails are full to capacity so the chances of a custodial sentence are further reduced , they won't pay any fines or compensation or turn up to community work or probation etc because there is no incentive for them to do so as the police are either not able or interested in enforcing the will of the courts .

[Kwacky]

I saw that. They smashhis car windows because they can't nick his bike. 4 times he's been targeted.

I think I would buy some smoke bombs and let those off then chuck paint over them. I would prefer to cover them in boiling oil but I'm told that tactic of defending your property is no longer allowed.

[Jack]

you couldn't get away with the boiling oil from the upstairs window but I believe that if you went outside then everything is fair game as you are defending yourself not your property and as far as I am aware self defence is not illegal .

[Kwacky]

That depends. Going equipped is going to get you into trouble. At least you know the police would turn up if you hurt one of the thieves.

[duke63]

They no longer have any fear of being caught.

Why would they be , the chances of them being caught is less than 10% and even if they are caught they will not get a harsh sentence , the jails are full to capacity so the chances of a custodial sentence are further reduced , they won't pay any fines or compensation or turn up to community work or probation etc because there is no incentive for them to do so as the police are either not able or interested in enforcing the will of the courts .

Police just don't have the manpower.

I have had a few chats with serving police officers (off the record) recently and all three reckoned the public would be shocked at the reality of the choices they have to make due to no funding.

[Kwacky]

I'm waiting for May to approve G4S private policing.

[D41]

Bring in OCP...

[sir thomas blanchard]

17 yr old girl shot in tottenham today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43624392" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[duke63]

I'm waiting for May to approve G4S private policing.

[Cavetroll87]

I used to love being in London, Loved going to London for nights out, days out, spent so much time in the city. I still do but I would be lying if I didn't say that I constantly have an eye over my shoulder for trouble nowadays.

[Jack]

Well it would appear I was wrong about self defence being legal , a 78 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of MURDER after an armed intruder at his home in the middle of the night was killed during a struggle which ensued after he was forced into the kitchen . A second intruder fled the scene .

I thought that the prerequisite for murder was malice aforethought .

[Kwacky]

Someone has died so the suspect will be arrested during the investigation.

it's a charge of murder because that's the highest offence. The police will always start off at the top of the offences list as it's easier to move down than it is to move up.

It's all standard. It doesn't mean that the man will be charged with the offence.

[Jack]

Surely the way to go about things would be to investigate before you arrest someone ?

[Kwacky]

Why?

You risk losing a suspect.
Arrest gives the police certain powers
The suspect is entitled to legal representation (which he has to have for murder).

Being arrested is not the same as being charged. It's a formality and it's proper policing.

[Jack]

Evidence ?

In most cases I would agree with you but this guy is 78 , he should be with his family and friends not his solicitor .