Changed tyre for first time..

Post by **R1ckster** » 26 Mar 2016, 15:53

Hiya guys

Just changed and balanced my front tyre on the tiger 800xc

However after inflating it it never gave a sound of POP that Would be seating of the bead..

Checked the tyre both sides and spun it on the balancer and all looks true and seated from inspecting he walls...

Is this possibly safe or should I definitely hear bead pop ?

Cheers guys

Post by **D41** » 26 Mar 2016, 17:08

Yikes....dunno mate...I've only done it twice, and both times the tyre looked good but wasn't....I bounced it around really good at 'half pressure' and had sprayed soapy water all over the beads, then finished off inflating it...the pop, when it came, was loud as feck and I nearly shat my pants.

Post by **Frankie** » 26 Mar 2016, 17:17

Do you not have inner tubes on it being an XC? would that reduce that sound your looking for?
Just a thought

Post by **R1ckster** » 26 Mar 2016, 17:20

Yeah mate is inner tube and plastered in wd40 in addition to tyre mounting wax... But reading d41 post above now I'm nervous hmmmm

Post by **Blade** » 26 Mar 2016, 17:30

I wouldn't spray wd40 on the inner tube tbh.

I think it can swell and react with certain grades of rubber material.

Post by **R1ckster** » 26 Mar 2016, 17:38

Only put wd40 on bead and rim edge was a Bugger to put on

Have to ride back to London Monday with no pop sound on bead.. But to honest it looks mint..

Post by **duke63** » 26 Mar 2016, 17:39

It won't 'pop' if you have inner tubes.

Post by **duke63** » 26 Mar 2016, 17:41

I found this video very useful when trying to fit tight rubber stuff. So useful in fact i have watched in many times over.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxjkY7LzJEg[/video]

Post by **R1ckster** » 26 Mar 2016, 17:46

duke63 wrote:It won't 'pop' if you have inner tubes.

Nice one mate thx feel bit better now. Was considering riding to garage delicately then removing valve pin then blasting with compressor. Now I'll just leave it

Post by **D41** » 26 Mar 2016, 17:47

Blade is spot on....WD40 is BAAAD for rubber...it will dry it out, at which point it will indeed swell....not in a good way, it just deteriorates to all hell....don't ask how I know this, as I've never ever used it to clean a hard to find rubber part/gasket....I'd never do that...

Post by **Deegee** » 26 Mar 2016, 18:41

The pop is the beads stretching onto and hitting the rim shoulders of a tubeless wheel, if your wheel hasn't popped look at the tyre bead - is it in good contact with the rim? If it is don't worry, if it isn't there's something wrong and come back and let us know.

If you've got tubed tyres they probably won't pop, but check the contact and concentricity between tyre and rim, if either look dodgy come back (with pics) and we'll help.

Re WD40 and rubber, this is straight from their site:

WD-40® Multi-Use Product can be used on just about everything. It is safe to use on metal, rubber, wood and plastic. It can also be applied to painted metal surfaces without harming the paint. Polycarbonate and clear polystyrene plastic are among the few surfaces on which to avoid using a petroleum-based product like WD-40® Multi-Use Product.

Post by **DaytonAndy** » 26 Mar 2016, 19:04

What equipment and what method did you use Rickster? I'm also interested in how easy (seating problems aside) you found it and how much your gear cost?

Post by **R1ckster** » 26 Mar 2016, 19:14

DaytonAndy wrote:What equipment and what method did you use Rickster? I'm also interested in how easy (seating problems aside) you found it and how much your gear cost?

I'll post up photos mate. All in all very cheap considering the cost saving in long run in addition to gain some skills I guess. But in a nut shell

Manual balancer £35
Bead breaker £23
Wheel weights £3.50
Tyre irons two for £15 came with rim protectors
And a third tyre iron as was recommended.
Tyre mounting wax £5
Valve pin remover £3.50
Battery 12v tyre inflater £15

So far done the front. Took Me two hours and some swearing. But after some practice will speed up. Mainly because I was trying not to Bugger up my nice black spoked XC rims. Otherwise could be done lot faster.

In all 1-10 difficulty I'd say for a first attempt 7. I think the hardest hit was coming to terms how rough and heavy handed you need to be. Having the brake discs on didn't help as try not to put pressure on them.

Pulled valve pin to deflate.
Kneeled on tyre to push away from rim.
Clip on rim protectors
And carry out same as would on mountain bike/bicycle. And watched refer to YouTube now and again this guy very clear and helpful

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Post by **R1ckster** » 28 Mar 2016, 13:05

Follow up .. That cheap bead breaker was useless.. Ready for the skip.. Need to spend on a decent one unfortunately. I used my knee on the front tyre and had to take rear to garage to break bead for me.. Looking at the abba one for 65 quid. But yet to see what recommendations are

Post by **Monty** » 28 Mar 2016, 16:15

Nice one Rickster that should pay for it's self in about 60,000 miles! Or three weeks for you!

Post by **duke63** » 28 Mar 2016, 16:45

Its very difficult to remove tubeless tyres from rims and to get them back over the rim to refit.

I did look into this at one point but after trying it once i decided it was not worth the hassle.

Post by **R1ckster** » 28 Mar 2016, 22:18

Yes to be fair is very rewarding feeling after you've done it for the first time. My front wheel felt perfect riding back to London. Am gob smacked. Definitely pays for itself after a couple fittings.. And can now feel confident buy tyres online at bigger discount and not have to pay fitting fees. Being tubed also not have to pay for valves. Winner.

Next task replace chain and sprocket sets.

Post by **StMarks** » 02 Apr 2016, 21:15

Well done R1ckster, welcome to the self-sufficient bunch.

Bit late to the thread mate, but if you have some tyre warmers you will find removing & fitting tyres far easier if you have warmed them.