Paris

[Cav]

All I'm getting at is that the only difference between western governments and ISIS is the manner in which they kill innocent people.

Our government had killed far more people innocent people than ISIS. I'm not taking any arguments on that point.

[Blade]

I'm not aware our government is killing innocent people ?

[Kwacky]

I think the term used is "collateral damage".

Yes, we do need to stop these idiots but for me that starts at home. If muppets in another country want to murder each other than lets not get involved. I know that's not compassionate or the right thing to do, but it's sticking our nose in that starts these problems.

Instead of spending money on bombing the desert use it for home security and intelligence. Prevention is key.

[Cav]

I'm not aware our government is killing innocent people ?

Not necessarily collateral damage but things like sending people who are not fit to work back to work (60,000+ dead from that allegedly). Bad batches of vaccinations, etc, etc.

Then you get on to chemtrailing - ever wondered why multiple people struggle sleeping on the same night or why multiple people feel exhausted on the same day. It isn't a theory, it has been confirmed that they do that.

My point is, because the government has control over the media they can make their evil deeds acceptable. Because our government wants ISIS out, the media portray them as evil. I don't for a second believe we have the full picture because we never do - we still don't know the full picture behind why we went into Iraq.

It is only the way that officials acts or portrayed that makes us believe they are good or bad. We call it collateral damage when we murder civilians, to them they call it terrorism.

[Monty]

It's a terrible tragedy for everyone involved. Absolutely awful and can't possible begin to imagine how I would feel if my family or friends were involved.

But and it's a big but we (the west) made this. This is indisputable, we've been fecking up other countries for years and for what? Money!

[Cav]

This is indisputable, we've been fecking up other countries for years and for what? Money!

I believe it is for the same reason.. risking and taking so many lives for something that is made up and meaningless. I also feel this is the reason they're so secretive about their motives, because they know that it is morally despicable !!

[Kwacky]

The real reason we went into Afghan is to make sure a gas pipeline in the north of the country was finished. The Taliban kept blowing it up.

Even World War 1 was about oil. Germany was having an oil line built through Turkey so it could have a fleet of oil powered ships like the British Navy. That would have swung naval power away from the Empire and towards the Germans.

[Cav]

The real reason we went into Afghan is to make sure a gas pipeline in the north of the country was finished. The Taliban kept blowing it up.

Even World War 1 was about oil. Germany was having an oil line built through Turkey so it could have a fleet of oil powered ships like the British Navy. That would have swung naval power away from the Empire and towards the Germans.

So they had a war to prevent a war... #Smart

[Monty]

I've posted this before but fairly certain nobody ever watched it as it's over three hours long, please give it a try.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM[/video]

[Kwacky]

The navy at the time was used to protect merchant shipping and the ports we controlled. It's always about looking after the rich.

[Blade]

This discussion is getting beyond the limits of my knowledge in these matters so I will bow out.

Only my personal opinion but regardless of why or who caused and what there motivates for such were I simply want the terrorism to stop.

Wars have taken place in the past but these have largely been outwith public areas. Not always the case granted but largely they have or warnings have been given by air raid sirens or similar for people to get to safety. As a member of Britain who regularly travels through Europe on an air and rail travel I would like the terrorism threat to be removed as it's clearly wrong. I can't comment on past events but I would like myself and my family to feel safe living out our peaceful lives.

[Blade]

Cav. I don't want to hijack this thread but very keen to here more about the chemtrailing you mention. Can you please start another thread or pm me some info. Sounds like something I want to know more about. Cheers.

[Monty]

[Cav]

Exactly my thoughts on this just no where nearly as well worded.

It's all about control and a democracy is not a democracy. There is no true democracy in this world.

[Blade]

There is definitely a democracy in our house.

I have valid and opinion and everyone else is entitled to their wrong opinion

[Kwacky]

I'm more democratic.

I elect what my ears hear and I elect which piece of proposed legislation to enact.

[Blade]

Confused how can you be more democratic that letting other people have their wrong opinions

[Kwacky]

I run an election process.

[C00kiemonster]

I just run an efficient dictatorship, much simpler.

[Blade]

Funny Jane said the same