Coronavirus - hype or pandemlc?

[duke63]

As much as I know this Government is a bunch of clowns even they are not stupid enough to destroy the economy based on a simple flu virus. They know it can be deadly and not just to elderly people.

We will find out over the winter just how deadly this might or might not be but there is little doubt it’s unlike any flu bug encountered in our lifetime.

We have got used to being able to fight and beat most diseases by taking medicines in the last 50 years. But let’s not forget that before that time people died of many diseases which are no longer dangerous. When my mum was a child there were no vaccines for anything. In fact when she was 1 year old she contracted meningitis and was not expected to live. The only answer the doctor had for her mum was to give her lots of goats milk. She hates milk as a result.

The internet is awash with lies, conspiracy theories and counter conspiracy theories. It’s better to believe none of it unless proven otherwise.

[Kwacky]

Unless you've got an appropriate and independent expert looking at the tests I don't think we can comment. That said I find it highly unlikely.

I do know that there is no test for the common cold. The common cold is a catch all for a group of virus that's estimated to have over 100 forms to it.

[Blade]

As much as I know this Government is a bunch of clowns even they are not stupid enough to destroy the economy based on a simple flu virus. They know it can be deadly and not just to elderly people.

We will find out over the winter just how deadly this might or might not be but there is little doubt it’s unlike any flu bug encountered in our lifetime.

We have got used to being able to fight and beat most diseases by taking medicines in the last 50 years. But let’s not forget that before that time people died of many diseases which are no longer dangerous. When my mum was a child there were no vaccines for anything. In fact when she was 1 year old she contracted meningitis and was not expected to live. The only answer the doctor had for her mum was to give her lots of goats milk. She hates milk as a result.

The internet is awash with lies, conspiracy theories and counter conspiracy theories. It’s better to believe none of it unless proven otherwise.

Not sure the above is all true Duke. Watch this from chief medical officer and advisor to Goverment.

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[duke63]

The Government is scared on one thing and one thing only.

That’s hospitals being over run and unable to cope.

That came very close to happening back in April.

[Kwacky]

Plus as previously mentioned they've now found that lots of survivors have long term consequences caused by the virus.

It's not just about the death tally.

[Blade]

Plus as previously mentioned they've now found that lots of survivors have long term consequences caused by the virus.

It's not just about the death tally.

How many is lots? Not being argumentative but we need more perspective than "lots" and how do we know there are long term consequences when the event is just happening? Surely we won't know the long term consequences for another 20 years.

[Blade]

The Government is scared on one thing and one thing only.

That’s hospitals being over run and unable to cope.

That came very close to happening back in April.

We are better prepared now with the Nightingale hospitals and more ventilators available, so in a different place.

How many cancer patients and other critically ill people have and will die as they were denied the treatment they needed? I've seen figures suggesting 50,000 unessecary deaths due to cancellation of critical care treatment for none covid related health issues.

[duke63]

Anyone who ends up in hospital with breathing difficulties and needs assistance with breathing puts a huge strain on their heart.

Pneumonia and bronichial conditions are known to cause heart problems later in life.

[Blade]

Anyone who ends up in hospital with breathing difficulties and needs assistance with breathing puts a huge strain on their heart.

Pneumonia and bronichial conditions are known to cause heart problems later in life.

I disagree, both of my sons have been in hospital with breathing issues and needed assistance to breath, which was extremely scary. One was treated for Bronchitis.

Gladly they have been many years trouble free now.

[duke63]

Yes but they are young lads.

Heart and lungs are directly related.

As much as we would like to be none of us are super humans. We are only an animal that has adapted itself to lead life on Earth. But we have been laid low by a simple virus which, at the moment at least, we have no answer for.

Life on Earth is all about evolution.

[Blade]

Did you watch the YouTube video I posted a few threads up Duke?

The Goverments, chief medical officer is saying its not severe for 99% of the population.

[Kwacky]

The video from May?

You know that things have moved on since then? There's been a lot more research carried out.

Just a few weeks after that video he was warning that the second wave could be more serious than the first

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/second-wa ... is-whitty/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Kwacky]

This is the key issue:

18% of people who have symptoms self isolate

11% of people quaratine when they have been told they've been in contact with a postive case

[Blade]

The video from May?

You know that things have moved on since then? There's been a lot more research carried out.

Just a few weeks after that video he was warning that the second wave could be more serious than the first

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/second-wa ... is-whitty/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It is from May but its still valid and the chief medical officer has not retracted the statements made. Covid19 is the same risk now as it was then. Covid19 hasn't changed it still is not severe to 99% of the population. All thats changed is the message we are now told.

[Kwacky]

I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from.

UK it's 616 deaths per million against 6028 cases per million so that's about 10%. That's backed up by the total deaths/total cases figures. That percentage rises to 13% if you live in England.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... worldwide/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They reckon the death rate will double for those who have flu as well.

[Blade]

I got my figures from the UK Chief Medical Officer.

[Kwacky]

Someone needs to tell him he's wrong.

But even if you use the 1% line, that's still more than 670,000 people.

[Blade]

Someone needs to tell him he's wrong.

But even if you use the 1% line, that's still more than 670,000 people.

Why tell me I'm wrong. Is the UK chief Medical officer not a reliable source.

Not sure where your going with 1% equals 670,000? Thats just stating what 1% of the population equates too as a number. Whats happened to them?

We haven't had 670,000 confirmed cases or deaths. What is 670,000?

[Kwacky]

If people continue to spread the virus

and if the virus is deadly to 1% of the population

then that's how we arrive at the 670,000.

[Blade]

If people continue to spread the virus

and if the virus is deadly to 1% of the population

then that's how we arrive at the 670,000.

We have had 41,000 deaths so far if you believe the inflated figures, which were never confirmed and had vague statements on the death certificate such as "suspect of having" and "died with".

I really can't see the second wave being 629,000 deaths if the first wave only had 41,000 possible covid related deaths.

On that basis its less deadly than 1%, and in defence of the Chief medical officer his exact words were "1% or possibly less"