Kwacky's ongoing M7rr Metzeler review
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Kwacky's ongoing M7rr Metzeler review
I've just paid £238 to have these boots fitted to the bike. My current mileage is 17,230 so lets see how long they last.
The first thing I've noticed is the front tread. It's very different from the M5s. In fact I thought Mike was about to put them on the wrong way round.
A nice mix of A and B roads on the way home. It had been raining in the morning with a couple of showers on the way back so the roads were cold and there were damp patches about.
First off - these things don't need scrubbing in. Or that's the impression I got. Normally on new tyres they can be a bit twitchy when you're running them in but these didn't do that. I had a very very minor squirm from the rear on a right hander but I put that down to something on the road rather than the tyres.
I asked Mike to put 32 psi in the front and 36 in the rear. Personal choice.
As with all modern tyres these heat up quickly, regardless of road temps. The carcass seems to be softer than the M5s, so bumps on the road were less of a problem, which is useful seeing as the Kwak's suspension is quite firm. Lean comes swiftly but progressively which gives you confidence to lean the bike over further. I have about 3mm of a chicken strip on the left hand side. That's after 40 miles when I should be taking things easy.
I don't know what the weights are like compared to the M5 but the bike seemed lighter and the front steering more responsive. Tracking a line or changing a line mid corner is effortless. These seem to be a bit more stable than the M5 mid corner, not that the M5 had any problems but I did notice last year when I was giving the bike some stick that the rear did slide a little bit. not much but enough to notice.
Hard braking is very controlled. I really jammed on the brakes after hitting a good speed and the bike seemed very settled. There wasn't a hint of a lock up. Granted all tyres will lock but I was surprised not to hear a squeal of complaint.
A lot of what I've posted can be put down to a number of things: the bike, the suspension, the roads the rider etc. I appreciate that. These are my thoughts after having used M5s for a few years. It's very early to tell what these tyres are like. I haven't ridden them in the wet, I've not put them on a track and I've yet to see how they are after a few thousand miles. In addition it's always nice to have new tyres on a bike. That said the M5s I took off where in decent nick, the front didn't have to be replaced and the rear had a couple of months left on it.
I'll update this thread as I go along. There's a track day on Friday and a ride out the following week.
Thanks for reading.
The first thing I've noticed is the front tread. It's very different from the M5s. In fact I thought Mike was about to put them on the wrong way round.
A nice mix of A and B roads on the way home. It had been raining in the morning with a couple of showers on the way back so the roads were cold and there were damp patches about.
First off - these things don't need scrubbing in. Or that's the impression I got. Normally on new tyres they can be a bit twitchy when you're running them in but these didn't do that. I had a very very minor squirm from the rear on a right hander but I put that down to something on the road rather than the tyres.
I asked Mike to put 32 psi in the front and 36 in the rear. Personal choice.
As with all modern tyres these heat up quickly, regardless of road temps. The carcass seems to be softer than the M5s, so bumps on the road were less of a problem, which is useful seeing as the Kwak's suspension is quite firm. Lean comes swiftly but progressively which gives you confidence to lean the bike over further. I have about 3mm of a chicken strip on the left hand side. That's after 40 miles when I should be taking things easy.
I don't know what the weights are like compared to the M5 but the bike seemed lighter and the front steering more responsive. Tracking a line or changing a line mid corner is effortless. These seem to be a bit more stable than the M5 mid corner, not that the M5 had any problems but I did notice last year when I was giving the bike some stick that the rear did slide a little bit. not much but enough to notice.
Hard braking is very controlled. I really jammed on the brakes after hitting a good speed and the bike seemed very settled. There wasn't a hint of a lock up. Granted all tyres will lock but I was surprised not to hear a squeal of complaint.
A lot of what I've posted can be put down to a number of things: the bike, the suspension, the roads the rider etc. I appreciate that. These are my thoughts after having used M5s for a few years. It's very early to tell what these tyres are like. I haven't ridden them in the wet, I've not put them on a track and I've yet to see how they are after a few thousand miles. In addition it's always nice to have new tyres on a bike. That said the M5s I took off where in decent nick, the front didn't have to be replaced and the rear had a couple of months left on it.
I'll update this thread as I go along. There's a track day on Friday and a ride out the following week.
Thanks for reading.
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Re: Kwacky's ongoing M7rr Metzeler review
Good write up Kwacky and enjoyed reading it sounds like a very good road tyre.
I thought the comment on the carcass feeling soft was interesting as from personal experience I have always found the same with Pirelli and Metzler tyre's which is a trait I like but previous comments had suggested this might not be the case. I guess like most things feel and perception are very individual things.
I thought the comment on the carcass feeling soft was interesting as from personal experience I have always found the same with Pirelli and Metzler tyre's which is a trait I like but previous comments had suggested this might not be the case. I guess like most things feel and perception are very individual things.
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Good choice in tyre
Interesting that you feel the tyre may be softer than me, but then my M5's where well past the end of their life and the front was also more worn on the right hand side. I probably wasn't getting a very good feel from them TBH.
Will be very interested to see how you find them on track, and also how they wear from a track day. But one thing I do know, you'll love them in the wet. The new tread pattern really does work very well.
Interesting that you feel the tyre may be softer than me, but then my M5's where well past the end of their life and the front was also more worn on the right hand side. I probably wasn't getting a very good feel from them TBH.
Will be very interested to see how you find them on track, and also how they wear from a track day. But one thing I do know, you'll love them in the wet. The new tread pattern really does work very well.
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I got try these out today in standing water and damp roads.
Blimey, talk about stable. For everyday road riding it's like the roads are dry. No movement, no slides, normal braking.
I'm very impressed.
Blimey, talk about stable. For everyday road riding it's like the roads are dry. No movement, no slides, normal braking.
I'm very impressed.
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Re: Kwacky's ongoing M7rr Metzeler review
Went in to Addisons yesterday, this is the place who I got my M5's from.
I asked if they were putting the M7's in and they said they would but they were waiting for a real life review before they committed but because they are brand new no one had reviewed them
Do you want me to try and link this page to their site ??
I asked if they were putting the M7's in and they said they would but they were waiting for a real life review before they committed but because they are brand new no one had reviewed them
Do you want me to try and link this page to their site ??
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I'll never refuse a link to another site.
You can show them D6Nutz's review as well.
Cheers Spudda.
You can show them D6Nutz's review as well.
Cheers Spudda.
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Nice, very tempted for the next set loved the M5 on your recs, so no reason not to go again
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I forgot to update this after the track day.
Very solid with only a couple of slides on the rear coming out of the hairpin. Change of direction was effortless. They heated up and retained the heat. I was running 31/29.
The lean on them is great. The rear chicken strip was gone in no time but there's plenty of room left on the front.
Very solid with only a couple of slides on the rear coming out of the hairpin. Change of direction was effortless. They heated up and retained the heat. I was running 31/29.
The lean on them is great. The rear chicken strip was gone in no time but there's plenty of room left on the front.
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They handle really well even with 26 psi in the front
Serves me right for not checking my tyre pressure before going on a ride out.
Serves me right for not checking my tyre pressure before going on a ride out.
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I read last night that Metzeler will be introducing a hypersport version. Not quite sure what that means.
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Looks like it might be. One site is listing a 200 section rear but says not yet in stock.
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My son has just had a set put on his R1 , he loves them , says the side grip is incredible and they are wonderful in the wet .
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They're so good they let you go round a corner sideways
On gravel
I did my favourite trick of overtaking out of a corner without looking at the road to notice the large collection of road crap.
On gravel
I did my favourite trick of overtaking out of a corner without looking at the road to notice the large collection of road crap.
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I've tried that twice now, once on exit of a roundabout and once testing out the route to cheddar.
I found the feedback from the tyre incredible, you could feel the exact moment that it span up and even more you could tell it was a loose surface not just the rider being a twat (referring to me of course) then the moment you find clean tarmac again, normal service is resumed.
Metzeler really have done their homework on these tyres and normal road surfaces, as opposed to spending a lot of time developing them on track. That said I'm looking forward to getting them out onto Donnington next month
I found the feedback from the tyre incredible, you could feel the exact moment that it span up and even more you could tell it was a loose surface not just the rider being a twat (referring to me of course) then the moment you find clean tarmac again, normal service is resumed.
Metzeler really have done their homework on these tyres and normal road surfaces, as opposed to spending a lot of time developing them on track. That said I'm looking forward to getting them out onto Donnington next month
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That's the most controlled slide and spin I've been involved in in terms of feedback. The bike still felt planted, as weird as that sounds.
It woke me up though
It woke me up though
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Over 3,000 miles and 2 track days now. No issues at donny with them.
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You done 3000 miles on them already. Wow what's your annual mileage.
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I was well impressed with them at donnigton how they looked and felt. I think I will be investing in some of these.
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